hp_diversity | A Question of Character: Blaise

I can't think of any canonical evidence that Blaise is confrontational. Draco, Crabbe and Goyle pick arguments and fights over and over and over again. Pansy is verbally confrontational, especially during the battle in DH. I can't recall a single case of Blaise starting a fight or an argument. Compared to the other Slytherins, I think of Blaise as a character who stays calm and does his best to avoid trouble.

There is something about Blaise's name that makes me really uncomfortable. Blaise is described as black - and I mean black as in both parents are black as opposite to of mixed heritage (if that's the correct term) - but his surname is Zabini, which Wikipedia and pretty much everybody assumes that it's Italian. But since Italy has a very different history compared to other nations that were part of the Imperialistic process, the only way a black person would have an Italian surname is because he's been adopted into an Italian family. Therefore my headcanon for Blaise is that he chose the surname of his favourite step-father and so did his mother - since we know her as Mrs Zabini - and he was not his real father at all. When I read stories where he has a villa in Italy and speaks "fluent" Italian, I am always a bit unsettled. It's just that on top of keeping everything canon, I also have to keep my stories in a realistic setting, and him being part Italian is not quite realistic for me.

There is a (brief) colonial history of Italy in Africa. Perhaps Blaise's father was the son of an African woman and an Italian man in Italian East Africa (Somalia/Eritrea). Blaise would have mixed ancestry that way, but it would be one generation back.

Looking at the Zabini surnames on Ancestry (a genealogy website), they are mostly from Italy, but I also found a Mohammad Zabini. I could see Zabini being a transliteration of an Arabic name too.

I just found this post by sistermagpie on DW with a really interesting discussion in the comments about Blaise's origins and the possibilities of Italian vs. Arab vs. some mixture.

OMG. I went to see Mockingjay Pt.1 and now it's almost 1 am, and that usually wouldn't stop me from replying, but I have to wake up early tomorrow because I'm in Milan with my friends all day! So, I really want to reply and continue this discussion - I love Blaise - but I can't write until tomorrow evening!! Sorry for that! Wait for my reply though!

PS--Ah, yep! A very short and almost embarrassing - compared to other countries - colonial history! My grandfather lived in East Africa for 30 years! :) xx

Alright. I'm here.

Italy's colonial history is extremely brief, and it was a total fiasco too. But apparently the people of the countries that we invaded were very fond of the Italians, thinking us as nice and good-natured. My grandfather owned some houses in Somalia and Eritrea, but he never talked of Italians and local people mixing. That said, there is an Italian extremely old song called "Faccetta Nera" (lit. "Little Black Face"), about some cute black girl the soldiers had encountered in East Africa. But I'm not sure Italians would pass on their surnames to the children born from unions with the locals (I've seen the same thing in Angola three years ago, there were some people with mixed heritage, but they didn't have their fathers' names they said - but of course, Angola and Portugal's history is yet different, because they do have Portuguese names in Angola).

A Mohammad Zabini would make totally sense to me. It is a surname from the south of Italy and that's where the highest concentration of Arabs was in the past, therefore an Arab changing his surname to fit in would totally make sense to me. Of course though, we are talking about something that happened between the VII and the XI century, therefore I think that by now they would have lost all the blackness (I have no clue how to phrase this!) that they might have had.

That discussion is very interesting. OMG. I loved that bit about "Cho Chang", but to be fair with J.K. Rowling "Chang" is in third place as one of the most common surnames, and believe me when I say that those 10 surnames are everywhere. I studied Chinese and went to China twice, studied there and I have many Chinese friends and had many Chinese teachers and they were all called "Jiang", "Chen", "Li", "Zhang", etc. They just are. Okay, wrong character for this discussion though, sorry for that!

I also found some statistics about the surname Zabini in Italy:
Percentage: 0.00046%
Number of people sharing this surname in Italy: 276
It's really not that common. x

I'm not quite sure why you think both parents must be black just because he's described as black. I think that description would fit many black Englishmen, people who have been in the country for some time, rather than more recent immigrants. I think it's very likely he's mixed race based on being black, a Zabini and English.

Though, because his mother had what, seven husbands there certainly is a possibility he took someone else's name. And I, too, wouldn't have him speaking fluent Italian because to me he's English.

OMG. I went to see Mockingjay Pt.1 and now it's almost 1 am, and that usually wouldn't stop me from replying, but I have to wake up early tomorrow because I'm in Milan with my friends all day! So, I really want to reply and continue this discussion - I love Blaise - but I can't write until tomorrow evening!! Sorry for that! Wait for my reply though!

Probably thinking that both his parents are black must be my head canon then, if it's not shared by people out there. I just took it for granted. And I thought about it, and I think that I know why I think that (can you tell that I am knackered after having been out all day and walking for kilometres in Milan? I can't phrase, is this even correct?).

Three reasons. 1. He is described as dark skinned in the books, and therefore I thought that since he is not "light brown" or "brown" or any colour that could be seen as mixed, both parents must have been black. 2. The actor they cast for the films. He doesn't look mixed to me, and even if I don't really consider films as canon, I just thought that since they've cast him, they must have known something for sure. 3. My personal experience. All of my black friends from England have both parents who are black. I by no means know everybody in England, but all my of black friends came from black families, therefore I just thought it natural for Blaise to have both parents coming from the same background. But if nobody shares this idea of Blaise then it must be something that I came up with on my own and thought it was canon.

Urgh, no no no! No Italian for him! And most of the times he is like, "(In Italian)What when button rabbit gooogooo pheasant." And Hermione (Pansy, Draco, Ginny...) is like, "What?" and I'm like, "WTF" too.. Alright, this is mean, my English is not perfect either - especially not tonight - but they can contact someone Italian to beta a sentence. I'd volunteer.. And Blaise is British to me too. x

I know this is getting off-topic but as you pointed out, Zabini is an uncommon last name--which actually makes his being Italian more likely because it hasn't been dispersed as widely. I found this link about the last name Zabini, with Italy, the US, and Brazil being the places it's most common, followed by Australia and Great Britain. Pretty much all places Italians emigrated to.

Regarding the actor, the women who play the Patil twins are from Bangladesh and while that last name is very common, it's most often found in the part of India that's further central/west (see here) so I don't think that's necessarily indicative of anything just because the actor may or may not have a particular origin (though I personally couldn't find where it said what his origin might be besides British).

I just find it very strange you are so adamant that he's not at all Italian when his name indicates that he is. If I met a person named Rossi or Marino it would be my first assumption until I was told otherwise. Also, my own half-brother has a very Norwegian-American name but his mother is from Peru so he does not look like a Scandinavian in any way. He's not even what one would consider black (Hispanic really) but he is what I would call dark-skinned.

ETA: Though I do still see Blaise as primarily black and English, the idea that he can't be Italian because of those factors led me to research some well-known mixed race Italians.

Sara Gama female soccer player born in Trieste, Italian mother, father is from Congo; Carlton Myers Italian/British citizenship, basketball player, carried the flag for Italy at the Sydney Olympics, father is from Saint Vincent and Grenadine and mother from Pesaro; Salvatore Marino actor with Italian father and Eritrean mother; Elisa Sednaoui model, actress, director, born in Piedmont to Egyptian father and Italian mother; Matteo Ferrari soccer player, Italian father, mother from Guinea, girlfriend from Venezuela; Fabio Liverani soccer player born in Rome to Italian father, Somali mother; and Stephan El Shaarawy soccer player, born in Savona to an Italian mother and an Egyptian father. These are just the people I could find in about two hours of poking around on the internet. Surely there are many more such people who aren't famous.

Edited 2014-11-23 01:28 (UTC)

If Harry Potter was set in the U.S. , I would have no problems at all. My friends have Italian surnames and they are half Japanese and that's absolutely normal to me.

But I was still talking about Blaise being of black descendent because of my head canon. If he is mixed, by all means, I see no problems in that happening. (And I also think that Alisanne has a very good point with that Muggle vs Wizarding world.) Also his father might have been adopted, like Balotelli! And maybe he was a Quidditch player! Now I have a new head canon forming in my head! Lol! Quidditch players are wealthy I think, that would have attracted Mrs Zabini. I see a plot bunny forming in my head..

And as I said, I'm just annoyed with people butchering my language for the sole purpose of adding an exotic feeling to their stories. Blaise is British to me, and the last thing that usually Italians pass on to their children for more than a generation when they are abroad is the language (unless they have to communicate with their grandparents).

But yes, that's just my point of view, and I'm glad we had this exchange so that I can see that it was just in my head to consider canon to have both his parents black. Xxx

Britain is a multi-ethnic society (and so is wizarding Britain), so I'm very confused by the implication that to be described as "black" someone must be of 100% African ancestry, which is obviously not the case for many British black people. All it would take is one paternal Italian ancestor for Blaise to inherit an Italian surname, and that ancestor could be several generations back, it needn't be his father. It could be his great-great-great-grandfather, for all we know.

Of course, with so little canon there's nothing wrong with making it up for yourself. Just, personally I see nothing unrealistic about Blaise having some Italian ancestry while still identifying as black and being seen by others as black. It doesn't have to be the most common situation for it to be within the realm of possibility.

I'm going to copy here what I wrote to Torino up there, because you asked the same thing..

Probably thinking that both his parents are black must be my head canon then, if it's not shared by people out there. I just took it for granted. And I thought about it, and I think that I know why I think that (can you tell that I am knackered after having been out all day and walking for kilometres in Milan? I can't phrase, is this even correct?).

Three reasons. 1. He is described as dark skinned in the books, and therefore I thought that since he is not "light brown" or "brown" or any colour that could be seen as mixed, both parents must have been black. 2. The actor they cast for the films. He doesn't look mixed to me, and even if I don't really consider films as canon, I just thought that since they've cast him, they must have known something for sure. 3. My personal experience. All of my black friends from England have both parents who are black. I by no means know everybody in England, but all my of black friends came from black families, therefore I just thought it natural for Blaise to have both parents coming from the same background. But if nobody shares this idea of Blaise then it must be something that I came up with on my own and thought it was canon.

I don't think that the Italian ancestor would be a realistic solution though, because in Italy we have a very different history than the U.S. and black and white didn't really mix in the past - there were not that many black people here in the past actually: we didn't have that many colonies, nor we imported slaves - and I just don't see it as a realistic solution. Also, I don't think that if a white man would have had a child with a black woman he would have wanted to pass on his surname. But everything is possible, I just don't think it's very probable.

alisanne says something really interesting, though, that maybe the Wizarding World is different than the Muggle World, and more multi-ethnic even in a country like Italy. It is usually more advanced than the Muggle world when we think about the position of the woman and characters of colour.

But yes, I am more peeved by the way some authors write his "Italian dialogues" where I cannot understand anything at all. To me he is very British.. (My friend from England was teaching me Cockney the other day, I cannot see her as anything but British.) x

Thank you for this comment. (paraque)

Edited 2014-11-22 22:53 (UTC)

The trouble with Blaise is that all we have is a name, a physical description, a brief note about his mother, and one speaking scene. There are many backgrounds you could concoct which would fit with this, so any particular headcanon is no more than that. However ...

- What do you think his name reveals about him, if anything?

Not a lot. It suggests an Italian background, but we don't know if that comes from being born there. It could be the name of an Italian father who lived in Britain. It could be the name of one of his mother's other husbands. It could be his mother's family name for that matter -- people assume she's black because of the likelihood that an Italian father called Zabini was white, but as far as I recall from what's actually said in canon it could easily be the other way round?

- Where do his ancestors come from? How long has his family been in Britain?

Again, nothing much to go on here. He's described as "black" which in British terms usually means specifically African or West Indian ancestry. He's also described as having "long slanting eyes" which sounds like it's meant to be a hint at some East Asian ancestry. He talks like a posh Englishman, or at least does not talk with any kind of flagged regional or foreign accent in the way Hagrid or Fleur or Dean do. You could read that many different ways.

- Why was he sorted into Slytherin?

That's easy enough: he clearly seems to be a pureblood bigot.

- What career do you think he went into after Hogwarts and why?

Since he's presumably very rich, maybe none -- just a gentleman of leisure like Lucius Malfoy was. Politics would be another likely choice.

- Do you agree with the Wiki entry, which claims Blaise was arrogant, disdainful, confrontational, contemptuous, disrespectful, and difficult to please romantically?

Arrogant, disdainful, contemptuous? Yes, clearly. Supercilious aristocrat to a T.

Confrontational? Not particularly. He falls on Goyle when Harry lets go of the door and gets into a row with him because of that, but that's not surprising. He also expresses scepticism about Draco bigging himself up mysteriously, which is also reasonable (although actually he's mistaken about that). Mostly he seems disdainful, which is almost an opposite of confrontational.

Disrepectful? Of what or who? WTF does that even mean here?

Difficult to please romantically? Presumably based solely on Pansy's arch comment when she mentions that he thinks Ginny is good-looking, which he coldly rebuffs with a comment about her blood traitorliness. Might be a hint that he's gay and therefore not interested in girls anyway. Might be a hint that he really does have a big crush on Ginny and doesn't want Pansy the motormouth to know (a la Snape and Lily). Might not!

Difficult to please romantically? Presumably based solely on Pansy's arch comment when she mentions that he thinks Ginny is good-looking, which he coldly rebuffs with a comment about her blood traitorliness. Might be a hint that he's gay and therefore not interested in girls anyway. Might be a hint that he really does have a big crush on Ginny and doesn't want Pansy the motormouth to know (a la Snape and Lily). Might not!

Because that's near the beginning of HBP, which is not very long after the end of OotP where we see Snape call Lily mudblood (but before we know quite how much that really meant) I could easily believe that yes, we're meant to draw that parallel that Blaise does find Ginny attractive and doesn't want anyone to know and uses that kind of language to deny it.

Blaise's ancestry is an interesting question. I'll be curious if JKR sheds any light on his family in upcoming Pottermore revelations. I've always assumed his family was Italian, but if there are no black Italians as Ely_Baby suggests above, then it's more of a puzzle. Maybe, unlike the Muggle world, there are black Italian wizards? I do like the idea of him having a step-father who adopts him and raises him in Italy to speak fluent Italian, though.

I assume Blaise was Sorted into Slytherin because he's ambitious. Yes, he's a pureblood bigot, too, and we assume all of them go to Slytherin, but I suspect that if a Slytherin at heart thought another House would help them more, they'd try to Sort there.

My head canon for Blaise sees him being contrite and apologetic after the war, so I have written him as a teacher and as a lawyer. I imagine he'd more likely be a member of the idle rich, like Draco, however. I could also see him in politics, I suppose. And now I want to write (or read) Blaise Zabini, badass Auror fic. *g*

I'm not sure where they got the "difficult to please romantically" bit from. All we see is him dismissing Pansy's assertion that he thinks Ginny Weasley is attractive, and he could have had many reasons for doing that. I wouldn't want Pansy knowing my business either. :P
Arrogant and contemptuous? Totally. But again, I like to see characters progress beyond canon, and I like to think he got over that after the war (or at least learned to hide it better).

And now I want to write (or read) Blaise Zabini, badass Auror fic. *g*
Uhm, yessss! :D Lol Blaise as an Auror! That would be so interesting. I wonder how he'd handle all the cases and the people. Omg so much potential for humour there.

Now I actually just want to go back and re-read all his canon appearances to get a better handle on his characterization -- although I do have some fully formed feelings about him, it's always fun to find new subtleties. And I read him sooo long ago...

This may be tl;dr but I was looking at the ethnic background of black English footballers for comparison, since Zabini does have an Italian last name rather than something classically English, just to see what I could see about the current make-up of some black Englishmen. And, like the actors who play the POC characters in the HP films, almost all were born in some part of the UK, either to two parents from say Jamaica or Bangladesh (like Afshan Azad) or they had one English/Irish/Welsh parent and then one from most often one of the Caribbean nations allied with the UK. Of course, there is also the example of someone like Alfred Enoch, who's father is English and mother is from Brazil. Point being, I can very much imagine Blaise being mixed race, perhaps his mother was from the islands originally and met his father, a second generation Italian, somewhere.

I point this out, not to whitewash Blaise's ethnicity. I just see it as somewhat likely with an Italian last name that he's got a bit of both.

As the Wiki article mentions, Blaise was invited to Slughorn's group which does suggest there is something about him worth pursuing.

I don't see that one remark about Ginny should indicate basically anything about him romantically. It's one offensive remark, likely said as much to deflect as anything.

I am not sure we really see enough of him to pin him with that bevy of negative descriptors though I have always sort of seen him as being a lot like Draco when he's being a proper pureblood Malfoy--well-mannered and snooty.

When writing fanfic I think he makes a great Slytherin to use when you want someone who didn't get their hands too dirty (like Crabbe and Goyle).

Wow, I just recognised that my image of Blaise was overridden by his much more entertaining and often very humorous fanon character. I forgot about him being such a disdainful person. But now that I think about it it was the other way around when I read my first fics. I thought, wait wasn't Blaise an arse. Well, I like the fanon version of him much more. :D

- Where do his ancestors come from? How long has his family been in Britain?
I agree with him being of mixed ethnicity. And tbh, I don't care if his father was Italien or not and if he has parents of colour. I can see him easily speak Italian and English and other languages too because he seems to be very clever and I always thought his mother dragged him with her throught the world and her marriages before he went to Hogwards. Not the easiest childhood, I think.

- Why was he sorted into Slytherin?
He's intelligent, good at sheeming (learned from the best) and a man for himself.

- What career do you think he went into after Hogwarts and why?
I have no clue, but I totally love fics where he is a bon viveur or took an unusual career path like being partner with Neville...

- Do you agree with the Wiki entry, which claims Blaise was arrogant, disdainful, confrontational, contemptuous, disrespectful, and difficult to please romantically?
arrogant - yes,
disdainful - yes,
confrontational - not really (he sneers and snarks but wouldn't fight),
difficult to please romantically - I have no clue, his comment about Ginny could be everything, a hint that he likes her, a hint that he doesn't like women at all, he hint that he is an arse. Too little evidence in canon for a verdict.

- What do you think his name reveals about him, if anything?
I always thought that his name and charakter fits more the old Greek basilios which means something like regal, than coming from blaesus which means to lips. One wouldn't make fun of him in canon, would you?

Wow, I just recognised that my image of Blaise was overridden by his much more entertaining and often very humorous fanon character.

This is a really good point. It's been several years since the books were published, and in that time lots of fics have been written about Blaise -- so much so that we now have the situation of having more fanon material on him than canon material. I think it's true that fics tend to 'feed' off each other and develop a characterization that is slightly to completely different than the canon. (This has happened with other characters too, of course.)

I would like to know whether people think this is a valid thing to happen? Or should writers and artists return more often - and more strictly - to the source material for their inspiration?

Since nobody has mentioned it yet, I think Blaise' name also echoes blasé, which goes with JKR's usual way of characterising subtly through characters' names. So with "Blaise" comes an image of a bored, unconcerned, lukewarm, uninterested character. I have seen Blaise often written as someone who did not get involved in the war one side or the other, and I think his name adds to this image.

How interesting.
I was just saying to

torino10154 that maybe his mother named him Blaise because she wanted him to 'blaze' his way through the wizarding world, lol.
It's so funny how different our perceptions can be. :)

This makes perfect sense to me.

I also got that impression from his name, of a laid-back, quiet personality.

I agree with that as well.

The way I think of Blaise (not fanon Blaise, but in the books) is someone who is really ridiculously wealthy, really arrogant, and not impressed by much. He isn't even really impressed by Draco, not taken by the Death Eaters, pretty much has something disdainful to say about everyone and everything. I sort of love how he isn't too into Draco :D It's kind of cool. Not sure why I feel that, but I do. I guess it's nice to see a Slytherin who blatantly rejects the Death Eaters and Voldemort (though I can't be sure if it's because he disagrees with Voldemort so much as he probably thinks too highly of himself to be a "joiner"). I just think there is so much to explore with Blaise; the tidbits we see in canon really hint at rich backstory possibilities.

That being said, I do also love his fanon persona as well. It's such an opposite persona from the books, as his fanon self tends to be Draco's even-headed bff who is quick to make friends with the Trio and who often pulls Draco in with them -- at least in lots of H/D fanfiction. As such, Blaise can be pretty fun to play with and I think that's why he's so often portrayed in fics, along with Pansy, as Draco's best friend and past Hogwarts roommate. (I mean the roommate thing might not be fanon, I don't remember how Slytherin dorms are laid out or if they are even mentioned in much detail)

As for why he was sorted into Slytherin.... hmm. It's possibly because he holds himself in such high regard that he is essentially his own first priority. Or that he exhibits the traditional Slytherin qualities of cunningness, ambition, traditionalism, etc etc. I guess this one is up to personal headcanon.

I agree with a lot of what you say here. *nods*

I think the thing with fanon and canon is we actually have room to make someone like Blaise more three dimensional. What we see in canon is just one facet.

Yes! The minor characters can be so much fun to play with and invent backstories for, especially with all the tiny clues canon gives us :D

I still love this picture of the Slytherins by javadoodle, and especially how Blaise is portrayed as like equal to Draco (both are seated in the leather armchairs) but not part of his circle. He's a man unto himself. He's also not ostracized, he just has his own agenda. At least that's how it comes across to me. :)

Oh wow, that's a great artwork!

He's also not ostracized, he just has his own agenda.
That does feel very much like how I picture Blaise, too. I tend to think he considers himself above everyone, and Draco's group is included in that. But he isn't ostracized at all, I don't think.

There are any number of reasons why/how Blaise could be both British, dark-skinned and have an Italian surname. Let's try to construct one way from recent history ...

From 1943 to '45, US soldiers fought in Italy during WW II. An African-American soldier (who just happened to be a wizard) had a child with an Italian witch named Zabini (latest possible year of birth 1944). Given the social standing of black soldiers at the time, I'm assuming it was a consensual relationship, even though it may not necessarily have resulted in marriage ... and if it did, said soldier either took his wife's name, or they got divorced later, he left the child with her and she went back to her maiden name for herself and her baby.

That child (male, to retain the name) emigrates to the UK after the war (possible, especially in light of the slowly gaining-in-importance of the predecessor of today's European Union) and marries a Briton. He'd be in his mid-thirties by 1979/80, when Blaise was born, and Mrs Zabini may well have been dark-skinned again (after all, we never learn of HER ethnicity).

Using this construct, Blaise may be three-quarters black and still have Italian ancestry (even though he'd most likely identify himself as British).

Far-fetched maybe, but I think at least somewhat plausible. :)

My association with the name "Blaise" is the philosopher Blaise Pascal; I got the impression that at least one of his parents was an intellectually aristocratic type, who attempted to make sense of all sorts of probablistic arguments as to why wizards are just plain superior to Muggles.

Interesting discussion and option.

I was one of those who made the point that the characters' backgrounds really need to be beefed up in order to give the characters the dynamic energy that would allow them energize an entire story.

Kudos for asking about his name and seeing the link to his ancestry.

There have been some really good questions but lets broaden the canvas shall we?

While it's great to look at Italy's limited colonial past or even WW II, remember that:

1. Italy is not that far from the African continent.
2. Genetic research shows that admixture between Mediterranean Europeans and Africans has been going on for millenia most likely due to the proximity.
3. Italy was the center of the Roman Empire which stretched (I know I'm going to get this wrong, apologies in advance) from the outer reaches of Eastern Europe all the way to England.
4. Rome fought a war with Carthage, an African nation and its rival and then took control of Egypt (which sits on the African continent) and I think Libya, creating the African province.

Conclusion: Admixture between Italians and Africans has been happening for millenia. It is not that big of a stretch to see Blaise having an Italian name. (Don't stop at WW II. Remember, before WW I toppled it, the Austro-Hungarian Empire took in a lot of territory and nationalities - again, admixture).

But I'm not totally convinced the name Zabini IS Italian. It could be something else. I tend to think if it's not Italian, it's Eastern European which brings in Hungary and Romania, etc. I could be wrong. But it's worth investigating.

Why does Blaise have a French first name? Some of you have mentioned that maybe Rowling was making a play on the word "blase" or "blaze". Fair enough. But when I see Blaise, I think Blaise Pascal, whom I was taught was a pioneer in computer science (the Pascal programming language was named for him although I doubt anyone uses it anymore).

These questions everyone has come up with are fantastic. I just wanted throw in a reminder that history goes WAY back. Don't cheat yourself of the resources that are out there.

Also remember the impact of geography and how the old empires - Roman, Ottoman Turk, Russian, Austro-Hungarian, British, Spanish - mixed cultures across time and place for millenia.

Okay that was enough self-righteousness from me for one night. =^) But I just wanted to toss out that flag about remembering how deep and long history goes.

And I haven't even touched on the power of mining mythology and using the archetypes.

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